Thursday, February 8, 2024

Power Hitting, Base Stealing Second Basemen

I looked up Jose Altuve after he signed his contract extension this week. Since he has 200+ career HRs and 200+ career SBs, I wondered how many other 2B men have done that in the AL/NL. Here is what I found at Stathead for guys who played 50%+ of their games at 2B:

Player

HR

SB

Craig Biggio

291

414

Ryne Sandberg

282

344

Joe Morgan

268

689

Ian Kinsler

257

243

Brandon Phillips

211

209

Roberto Alomar

210

474

Jose Altuve

209

293

Joe Morgan was the first to do it. His career began in 1963. Maybe he was a trail blazer of a new kind of 2B man. But I wondered if anyone had come close before him.

So I lowered the cutoff to 100 for both stats for years up to 1962. Here are the results:

Player

HR

SB

Rogers Hornsby

301

135

Charlie Gehringer

184

181

Tony Lazzeri

178

148

Jackie Robinson

137

197

Marty McManus

120

126

Frankie Frisch

105

419

George Grantham

105

132

There are seven guys here, just like the first table. The first table had four Hall of Famers and the second one has five.

Gehringer came close. Robinson might have made it if baseball had been integrated earlier, although he might have missed some years being in the military during World War II. So it would not have been a sure thing.

Through the 2023 season, there are 53 players with 200+ in each stat. The only one of them to ever play catcher was Biggio. He played 428 games at catcher and had 22 HRs & 60 SBs while playing that position. At 2B, he had 226-325. 

So if we eliminate catcher, we have seven positions and 53 divided by 7 is just a bit higher than 7. So the original 7 is about what we might expect for any position (outside of catchers and pitchers).

Through 1962, there was only one player with 200+ in each stat, Willie Mays. Dropping the cutoff to 100 for both stats gives us 41 guys (none of whom ever played catcher). So 7 2B men is a decent share for that position.

There are 23 active players with 100+ in both stats. Altuve is the only one of them who has played 50% of his games at 2B.

At 75-75, here are the active 2B men along with the ages of their career so far. The only one that I think has any chance to be a 200/200 guy is Albies.

Player

HR

SB

Age

Jose Altuve

209

293

21-33

Ozzie Albies

131

76

20-26

DJ LeMahieu

122

93

22-34

Whit Merrifield

90

201

27-34

Kolten Wong

86

120

22-32

Marcus Semien has 215-120. He has played in 1,343 games but only 486 at 2B. If he plays his next 372 games at 2B, he will have 50%. But he will be 33 next season and still needs 80 SBs. He only stole 14 bases last year. So it is definitely not a sure thing for him to make it.

Update Feb. 9. Using Stathead's split finder, here are all the guys who had 150+ in both stats as 2B men (that is, while playing in games when they were at 2B).

Player

HR

SB

Ryne Sandberg

277

311

Joe Morgan

265

678

Ian Kinsler

246

239

Craig Biggio

226

325

Roberto Alomar

207

473

Jose Altuve

207

287

Brandon Phillips

204

208

Ray Durham

183

263

Charlie Gehringer

167

159

Alfonso Soriano

157

166

Frank White

156

169

The first seven are the seven from the first table. Gehringer appeared in the second table. The new guys are Durham, Soriano and White.

Through 2023, 111 players at all positions had 150+ in both stats. The only two who ever played catcher were Biggio and Dale Murphy.

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